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The Herbalizer · Mar 14, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

The max price for anythong is 100k. People may want to pay more. But the max value for any itme in GW is 100k no matter waht people say.

And.. how would yu pay in the auction house meny more than 100k if it won't acces the Xunlai storage (and it WON'T access it) and the 100k limit in the characters will NEVER be increased?

It's not what I'd like it to be.
It's what would be if it where.

The max price of an item is 100k +1750 ectos and even then it is possible to pay more than that if you use items worth more than 250 ecto. If people are willing to pay 200k for an item then it is worth 200k. Anet clearly didnt intend for people to pay max 100k for any item when they make ultra rare items such as crystalline, serpent, dwaven, tormented etc. If they did intend for 100k to be max value of an item they would have made the rare items drop alot more to decrease their value to take it under 100k but they didnt.

Tarun · Mar 14, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Using ecto as currency is just wrong. Perhaps they should raise the cap for money you can carry on your character and on your storage.

Strange Guy · Mar 14, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Man you should get a job at NCsoft! Awesome idea!

/sign

MithranArkanere · Mar 14, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

The max price of an item is 100k +1750 ectos and even then it is possible to pay more than that if you use items worth more than 250 ecto. If people are willing to pay 200k for an item then it is worth 200k. Anet clearly didnt intend for people to pay max 100k for any item when they make ultra rare items such as crystalline, serpent, dwaven, tormented etc. If they did intend for 100k to be max value of an item they would have made the rare items drop alot more to decrease their value to take it under 100k but they didnt.

No.
If Anet wanted items to be paid for more than 100k, they would have increased the equipable gold.

It's not 'if people want to pay for that, it wll cost that'.
It's 'the game was never meant to have such high prices'.

Alas, you won't be able to pay with ectos in a hypotetic auction house, just with gold, because extos are a material, not a currency.
And they will NEVER increase the ammout of gold you can carry on yourself. So the limit will always stay in 100k.
And no NPC will access xunlai storage so you can pay with up to 1000k.
If they let prices to be set for more that that, no one would be able to pay, because no one will be able to carry such amount of gold.
So no matter how you say, 100k would be always the limit.

You are used to eird games where people pay ridiculous ammount for things that do not cost them, you have been tricked, deceived, scammed.

GW was never meant for that. Nothing costs more than 100k. Nothing.

Coran Ironclaw · Mar 14, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

You are used to eird games where people pay ridiculous ammount for things that do not cost them, you have been tricked, deceived, scammed.

GW was never meant for that. Nothing costs more than 100k. Nothing.

HAHAHAHA, sorry for what i am going to say but you have no idea.
it is really simple. You can farm 100k in like 10-20 hours way too easily.

now if you want a tormented weapon, there is no way you can get 15 gems of each one on 20 hours (without buying them obviusly).

So if someone wants to sell a tormented weapon, no matter what, he would be terrible stupid to sell it at 100k.
And also there will be many many people willing to pay more than 100k for the weapon.

MithranArkanere · Mar 14, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Oh... but you thing that is important?
You don't seem to get the message.

High market was never meant to be. It's not what I think, or what I want.
Lightbringer farming was never meant to be, and they finally chaged that so it was no longer possible.

If people move up prices too much... heee heee....

I would like to see that.

Coran Ironclaw · Mar 14, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

for this thread i do think that is important.
If the auction house wont be able to buy using materials and money then they will simple prevent some items to be selled there, like minipandas, minimallyx, tormented weapon, golden crystallynes swords, etc.
they will still need to be selled with the wtb wts, or in out-game like guru auction.

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then high things like tormented weapons should be customized and not be able to sell them at all... or something like that.

btw, Lb farming is still there, they just removed the afk farming, which was like buying ectos at 200 gold from trader...

another thing, are you employee from anet? or how do you know anet never meant to have high market?

The Herbalizer · Mar 15, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

No.
If Anet wanted items to be paid for more than 100k, they would have increased the equipable gold.

It's not 'if people want to pay for that, it wll cost that'.
It's 'the game was never meant to have such high prices'.

Alas, you won't be able to pay with ectos in a hypotetic auction house, just with gold, because extos are a material, not a currency.
And they will NEVER increase the ammout of gold you can carry on yourself. So the limit will always stay in 100k.
And no NPC will access xunlai storage so you can pay with up to 1000k.
If they let prices to be set for more that that, no one would be able to pay, because no one will be able to carry such amount of gold.
So no matter how you say, 100k would be always the limit.

You are used to eird games where people pay ridiculous ammount for things that do not cost them, you have been tricked, deceived, scammed.

GW was never meant for that. Nothing costs more than 100k. Nothing.

Anet did beta tests correct? They would be able to tell from the extensive testing that 100k is an easy amount to reach. Further proven by the 1000k storage limit. Shows more than 100k is attainable.

Now why would they then add items which are so rare they barely ever drop i.e. perfect magmas shields or low req 15>50 crystalline swords. if 100k is attainable with relative ease one would assume that these items which are very rare would sell for more than 100k. Not complicated just simple facts.

*Anet after testing know 100k is attainable. Further proven by 1000k storage limit.

*Anet create ultra rare items which barely ever drop.

*Anet could therefore know people will pay more than 100k for them.

*Anet could see very early on into guild wars' release that people were paying more than 100k yet didnt adjust drop rate.

*All of this suggests that Anet know that people will pay more than 100k for items and are fine with that.

The whole 100k is the limit so therefore nothing should cost more than that argument really doesnt cut it. Unless you are telling me Anet expected Req 8 15>50 Crystalline Swords which are no more than a couple of dozen in number to sell for max of 100k....

bilateralrope · Mar 15, 2007, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

No.
If Anet wanted items to be paid for more than 100k, they would have increased the equipable gold.

It's not 'if people want to pay for that, it wll cost that'.
It's 'the game was never meant to have such high prices'.

Lets assume that ANET has a problem with items being worth over 100k. All ANET needs to do to get an items price below 100k is to increase the supply so that the price drops. But since ANET hasn't changed the drop rate of various rare skins, that means that they don't mind that the items are worth over 100k as if they did, they would of fixed it by now. So since people still trade items for over 100k and ANET hasn't done anything about it, this means that either my reasoning is wrong, or one of my assumptions is wrong. Since I don't see any flaws in my reasoning (point them out if you see any) it leaves only my assumption as being in error here.

For example the other day I sold a req 9 15^50 stormbow for 150k on the guru auctions. Since the buyer was willing and able to pay me 150k and I am able to sell it at that price, can you give me a good reason why its worth less than that ?

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Alas, you won't be able to pay with ectos in a hypotetic auction house, just with gold, because extos are a material, not a currency.
And they will NEVER increase the ammout of gold you can carry on yourself. So the limit will always stay in 100k.
And no NPC will access xunlai storage so you can pay with up to 1000k.

Why wouldn't the auction house allow people to pay more than 100k for items that are worth over 100k, when there are many ways it could be done ?

I can't see any reason why ANET wouldn't allow the auction house to access the gold in your xunlai storage.

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If they let prices to be set for more that that, no one would be able to pay, because no one will be able to carry such amount of gold.
So no matter how you say, 100k would be always the limit.

Why ?

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You are used to eird games where people pay ridiculous ammount for things that do not cost them, you have been tricked, deceived, scammed.

Please provide proof for this statement, as I didn't scam anyone into buying my stormbow. Nor have I heard of anyone buying an expensive item then complaining that they were scammed ?

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GW was never meant for that. Nothing costs more than 100k. Nothing.

If there is an informed buyer willing to pay over 100k for an item, who are you to say that the item is worth a different amount ?

All the 100k gold limit says to me is that ANET wasn't expecting people to trade items worth over 100k.

Absolute Eminence · Mar 15, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

ANet may not intend or want a high ceiling market. Thus the 100k cap on trade menu. But their relentless quest to put a cap on the market is what is hurting GW. They need to let the market take its course and be more diligent to create a more open economy. Were stuck spamming hoping that one customer with 100k+ecto arrives into that district at that time and catches your spam before it spools by and pms you... They need to stop worrying that people won't be able to get all these nice items. They need to create a real virtual economy that can sustain itself without expansions that insert rare skins. The economy should be able to sustain itself of the core game.

Just make stuff that is basic like they always have. And add different rare armors and other items. Hope GW2 changes the way stats are outlied. Being able to change attributes in skills and health/energy/etc would be way more creative. PvP would be very interesting.

GW basic Gameplay > WoW
WoW economy blueprint[includes Auction House] > GW

frickett · Mar 15, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Yeah I would much rather just put stuff in an auction house, and go on playing the game, than have to sit around in town hoping that someone is looking for a furious ruby maul of fortitude... Auction house please!

funguito · Mar 30, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by frickett

Yeah I would much rather just put stuff in an auction house, and go on playing the game, than have to sit around in town hoping that someone is looking for a furious ruby maul of fortitude... Auction house please!

Yeah, who doesn't agree with this? Even those who like the rough trading aspect of the game and the direct contact buyer/seller can still do it after an auction house is implemented. I mean, the tools for that were always here.

I think this quote should be one of the main driving forces for the developer team to get the auction house working.

I sell stuff at the Guru Auction, but its not the same thing, is it?
Fewer buyers, compared to the sellers - at least that's what I feel.
And from my experience, it's mostly american buyers, where are the european ones?
It may be good for high end items, but it's not so great for more common stuff, imo because there aren't enough buyers.
And the hassle of having to relist everything every few days... and the lag...
Its a decent approach but we could be much better off with an ingame auction/market system.

Any words on future developments on this from the PC Gamer article?

Puliver · Mar 30, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

No.
If Anet wanted items to be paid for more than 100k, they would have increased the equipable gold.

It's not 'if people want to pay for that, it wll cost that'.
It's 'the game was never meant to have such high prices'.

Alas, you won't be able to pay with ectos in a hypotetic auction house, just with gold, because extos are a material, not a currency.
And they will NEVER increase the ammout of gold you can carry on yourself. So the limit will always stay in 100k.
And no NPC will access xunlai storage so you can pay with up to 1000k.
If they let prices to be set for more that that, no one would be able to pay, because no one will be able to carry such amount of gold.
So no matter how you say, 100k would be always the limit.

You are used to eird games where people pay ridiculous ammount for things that do not cost them, you have been tricked, deceived, scammed.

GW was never meant for that. Nothing costs more than 100k. Nothing.

I don't see any problem with implementing paying with money on you plus in stash. First you loose those on you and then those in stash. If you sell something money will go right to your stash. Easy, simple, efficient, no change needed. Solved...

Guardian of the Light · Mar 30, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

/signed

Hmm I should have seen this earlier

Age · Mar 30, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I am beginning to doubt this will or can happen in GW.

bilateralrope · Mar 31, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by Age

I am beginning to doubt this will or can happen in GW.

That just means that we need to make more noise about wanting it. Besides, it will also be a good thing for GW2 to have on release day.

Lydz · Apr 03, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

An auction house is the ONE thing I ask for. Please just impliment it. It would make so many people happy...

frickett · Apr 04, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Trade improvements are coming, we promise....

Now when you type wts or wtb your statement will automatically be put into the trade channel...No that isn't the only trade improvement...

Any new information on trade? I think an auction house would be great, but with guild wars1 on its way to it's first and final expansion, I don't think it will happen.

Brother Raurous · Apr 06, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Perhaps what is keeping them from implementing this is the potential strain it would cause on bandwidth. I’m not really that familiar with their system, but if there are thousands of players auctions that the system is trying to manage, then perhaps that would be the case. Nevertheless, I’d love to see a system like this implemented. I think it is important to try to work something to this effect out in order to keep GW1 economy live, thriving, and fun while we are in Guild War limbo for a year and a half or so.

Heavy Chaos Master · Apr 06, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42

i think it is a great idea, but might cause a few problems that have already been mentioned in this thread. maybe tehy could introduce it into gw2.

/signed